What if some of the most important UFO disclosure testimony didn’t begin with the Tic Tac videos or today’s congressional hearings, but decades earlier?

In this wide-ranging conversation, Dr. Michael Salla sits down with veteran investigative journalist and exopolitics researcher Paola Harris, who draws on more than 45 years of interviews, field research, and firsthand contact experiences. Harris revisits her work with figures including Colonel Philip Corso, Robert Dean, Clifford Stone, J. Allen Hynek, John Mack, Edgar Mitchell, and others whose testimony she believes has been largely forgotten in the modern disclosure conversation.

The discussion then moves into the extraordinary history of the contactee movement, from George Adamski and Giant Rock to the South American contact groups of Sixto Paz Wells, Ricardo González, and Mission Rama. Harris describes traveling through Peru, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Mount Shasta, and the Atacama Desert while investigating reports of human-looking extraterrestrials, predicted UFO appearances, telepathic communication, meditation, and consciousness-based contact.

One of the most striking parts of the interview is Harris's account of an encounter at Mount Shasta with a being she identifies as Antarel, an experience she says completely challenged her understanding of reality. The conversation also asks a bigger question: has modern UFO disclosure become too focused on technology, crashes, and fear while overlooking the experiencers, contactees, and consciousness side of the phenomenon?

This is a fascinating journey through the largely forgotten history of UFO contact and the people who spent decades trying to document it firsthand.

Topics include: Colonel Corso and reverse engineering, Robert Dean and NATO, Clifford Stone’s alleged “57 species” manual, human-looking extraterrestrials, Latin American contactees, Mission Rama, Mount Shasta, consciousness and contact, Giant Rock, UFO disclosure, and the future of exopolitics.

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